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The metal spikes of prong collars pinch the skin around dogs’ necks when they pull and can scratch or puncture them. Over time, this can cause dogs to develop scar tissue (which has no feeling) and/or build up a tolerance to the painful pinching sensation and thus continue to pull, making walks even more difficult. Dogs may interpret the tightening of a choke or prong collar around their neck as a stranglehold (which it is, after all!) and become fearful or even aggressive.
You must let the dog correct its self. Pulling on a prong collar can be detremental toa dogs metal health. The most important thing to remember wen using a prong collar is let the dog think he’s in control do not pull on it
Bitch let me bite your neck to correct you
Of course I have video of me working adult dogs, you didn’t look hard enough if you didn’t find the video of me and a 3 year old Cak Pisecna Boure (8x Czech champ) working OB. I was in camo pants. But no, no video of me training the bark and hold. Btw why do you sound so dismissive of puppy training? You realize it takes greater skill to work with puppies than adults simply because they’re less forgiving of mistakes, right? The older, better trainers work the pups in Europe
Ok, so “no” you don’t have any videos of you working a trained dog.
No, you’re still wrong. Just because YOU can’t train a shelter dog to do police and military work, doesn’t mean others can’t and don’t
You mean a search and bark? A search and hold would be a dog trained to bite when he finds a suspect and not bark. I train dogs for police work, I don’t do search and barks, that’s for sport dogs. In the real world a dog who barks when he finds a suspect from 1 foot away gets shot and dies. I teach a search and bite. “Not just a video of a dog flinging itself around on a leash and charging a sleeve” what’d you think protection was? Doggy Kung Fu? LOL! 90% of it is backtie work!
As SINGLE PURPOSE dogs aka DETECTION dogs, not APPREHENSION dogs. You get up with the facts, I’m already on the program. I donate to and help select dogs for a shelter program that matches low income PDs with trained narcotics K9s for NO cost thank you.
Useless if you don’t actually know a person or a situation…quick response isn’t always the wisest.Think before you speak.
The only videos I could find were of puppies. lol Do you have videos of you with a working dog? A TRAINED working dog? Not just a video of a dog flinging itself around on a leash then charging to bite a sleeve. I mean a TRAINED dog holding or search and hold?
Actually there are plenty of shelter dogs of various breeds currently active duty military or police dogs. Get with the program.
Btw, I may as well be speaking Latin when trying to describe fight drive to you but…Not all German Shepherds are created equal. Highly titled show line dogs from Germany, with titles in Schutzhund, will run and wet themselves if they were ever truly threatened…leaving an officer or soldier to die alone. The only dogs suitable for work, are dogs specifically bred for unnatural courage and drive to work and that cannot be found in a shelter. Only wl dogs can do real work. A small % of them.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I actually do back a program using shelter dogs for detection work but dual purpose police and military dogs MUST be German Shepherd Dogs or Belgian Malinois or Dutch Shepherds. Fight drive is genetic, and unnatural, meaning you MUST breed for it purposely or you will lose it in 1-3 generations ie NO shelter dog unless it is a purebred working line German Shepherd Dog/Mal/Dutchie should be in apprehension work.
I would love those links!
Experience.
Well if you breed dogs that automatically makes you an idiot in my book. Shelter dogs are in every line of working and doing just as good as the “pure bred” working dogs.
What is the difference between snug and tight? They are synonyms. I am NOT speaking on Kraftwerk’s behalf, in fact I think they’re what’s wrong with working dogs. They breed dogs to be good at sport, not to be good at work…but yes, even they know a prong rides high and tight on the neck, unlike you. You should get some training education before giving bad advice. Tom Rose School of Dog Training might take you lol.
a) You’re crazy, I never blamed a leather collar for anything.
b) So now you write “snug” instead of tight?
c) Kraftwerk would be very disappointed that an abuser like you is ‘speaking’ on their behalf. Particularly pertaining to their methods, of which you have zero knowledge.
d) pay attention: at no time did I advocate low loose use of the prong collar.
e) I’m done. You misuse the tool and have made that very clear. Nothing left to discuss.
Removed your comment? Sure, blame a leather collar on a loose Herm Sprenger for falling apart? You make 0 sense lol! ASK KRAFTWERK! They’ll tell you prongs are to sit high on the neck, right behind the ears! And obviously it has to be snug to stay behind the ears without slipping down. A correction on the lower part of the neck does nothing for a strong dog, the neck area below the jaw line is more sensitive and gives you more control thus requiring softer corrections.
Nice guess but try again…Would a Malamute/GSD mix fit your description??Though it’s really not about the breed rather the technic, I believe
I’d like to know how you come down to conclusions without having an idea…
I make a living training and breeding working line dogs and DO NOT sell to pet homes unlike Kraftwerk who sells crappy “sporting” line West German crap to people wanting pets and low level sport dogs for $3,500. They are crooks…I can buy a PH1 adult Malinois from Holland for that much. Opinions are like you know what’s, everybody has one, and most stink…only experience makes a difference, and it’s clear yours isn’t as extensive as mine.
You crack me up. Kraftwerk does sell to police in addition to titling in Schutzhund. The point… TRAINING a GSD makes it a top dog. “Hard handling” is not what makes a top dog. And a prong is NOT the right tool for “hard handling” of any dog. And ime even “working line” GSDs are big babies to the prong unless desensitized to it through “hard handling”. I’m done with this discussion. You clearly misuse the tool both in fit and purpose.
Kraftwerk has overpriced West German “sporting” lines who are good at Schutzhund but not real world (ie police or military) work. Jinopo aka Jiri Novotny’s kennel are based on his 40 years experience breeding and working German Shepherd Dogs and running the largest GSD kennel ever (Pohranicni straze Kennels). Norbo Ben Ju, Illo vd Abfuhr, Furo Kamos, every dog who’s name ends as “Pohranicni straze” = Jiri Novotny production. His resume is beyond any questioning having bred DOZENS of champions.
Hard handling from a trainer does NOT make it a “top dog”, especially in protection work. It just means he is a poor trainer or the dog is psycho! If the dog requires hard handling to be manageable then it is NOT a trained dog. Kraftwerks turns out great GSDs that are not psycho maniacs impossibe to train. No “hard handling” required with proper training.
Yes, they do. Again, go to leerburg dot com, and search for backup collar and watch as Ed Frawley demonstrates what happens with a loose prong. He uses a Herm Sprenger, that’s all he uses. That is video evidence that dispute as though you may, you are still 100% wrong.
My error re loose vs tight. In any case, HS don’t just slip apart. You claimed it did with a “hard correction” and Idispute that claim.
You’re making up facts as you go, I said LOOSE collars slip apart, snug collars do not. It’s like a tank/tractor tread, too loose and it comes apart, tension holds it on. I also said this dog is too weak for a prong, but you; without seeing MY dog, assumed he is too weak for a hard correction because of your limited experience with BYB and showline piece of crap nervy GSDs. It’s easy to be great in your own mind and never compete against your peers aka fellow dog trainers and make the podium.
You must’ve worked with/owned some crappy GSDs. A GOOD working line German Shepherd is HARD and can take correction well. Why? Because they go to the worst handlers in the world (police and military K9 handlers) who RUIN lesser dogs. My dogs come from Jiri Novotny, he is VERY heavy handed on his dogs, a dog who can survive Jiri’s training is a top dog. My current boy Lycan z Policija von den Schultz’s pedigree has Illo v.d. Abfuhr, Cak Pisecna Boure, and several other hard dogs.
I’ll gladly link you to some of my training videos or my page on FB with 65,000 members. Heck, you can come to my next seminar free of charge, all of you can simply because the misuse of the tools you guys are advocating and demonstrating are an accident waiting to happen.
GSDs are some of the biggest babies when it comes to sensitivity to the prong collar! If you are using the prong during bitework then you are using the WRONG collar. The purpose of the collar is as a training tool, not a correction device to substitute for poor training and handling!
It’s quite easy to ramble off random accomplishments that no one can verify LOL
I am a licensed retailer of Herm Sprenger products in the US and use Herm Sprenger prongs. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Again, I mentioned some of my accomplishments not to brag but to prove a point. EVERYBODY has opinions on training dogs, but FEW actually have the experience. If you’ve never had a dog who needed a hard correction, you never had a half decent working dog. I breed working line GSDs from Czech, Belgian, and Dutch heritage.
If you are using the prong to give “hard corrections” then you are abusing the tool.
If you are giving “hard corrections” then you are seriously misusing the collar! And you are controlling vs training your dog. A prong collar should never just “come apart”. If yours does that then the prongs are too narrow and slip out of the holes and you need to replace the faulty prongs or buy a better quality product. Buy Herm Sprenger.
I’ve trained 2 dozen police service dogs, and about 3 times as many private security dogs. I studied dog training under Chico Stanford and have been to seminars in 6 different countries and gave seminars in 3…who are you and why do you think your training opinions are even remotely relevant? Anyway, a loose prong comes apart when the dog is corrected hard. Go to Leerburg dot com and Ed has a video where he purposely does this. Secondly, a loose prong doesn’t do it’s job of pinching.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. There is no re-sizing for dogs with varying levels of training experience. Loose collars will come apart when you give hard corrections.
Incorrect, they are not meant for the gruff.
Are you serious?? What are you trying to do?? Get her to choke the damn life out her dog!! She is right. A prong collar needs some space not to be damn tight. How would you feel with that shit around your neck all tight!
And with the sad eyes on your doggy, It makes me a little sad to see that but I totally get what you mean. That is his natural look. My shepard has some eyes like that and It bothers me when he stares at me because it looks like he is sad even though he is not.
I have never in my life seen something like this. It looks painful . I have seen the other collars that tighten when you pull on it and that looks dangerous too. I see you use it in an effective way but I try to think that what if it were me in that position would I want that around my neck? Probably not. Your dog looks really sweet and he seems to not need something like that. If it is not painful I may consider getting one for my shepard, possibly if only he would be ok.
Stilwell is ineffective.
Dogs freak out more to head halters and that is a ‘tool’ of choice for positive trainers. They fling themselves around, lay on the floor moaning, pawing at their face. Much worse reaction than I have EVER seen to a pong collar.
You don’t own a big dog with high drive.
It is fitted properly. Tight is not correct with a prong collar.
High but NOT tight. The collar is sized right for a beginner dog.
This is probably the least intelligent comment I have received!